Is there any point in fighting to stave off industrial apocalypse?
The collapse of civilisation will bring us a saner world, says Paul Kingsnorth. No, counters George Monbiot – we can't let billions perish.
For some reason this debate puts me in mind of the Titanic. Buckle your seat belts, it's going to be a bumpy night.
If it's going to become the new Dark Ages, I vote to be an Irish monk. They kept the flame of civilization alive throughout the wreckage of the Roman Empire.